Brief note for resto druids – on nourish and spirit

1) Please don’t spam nourish without HOTs for either raid healing or tank healing.  Please.  See my healing guide for more info. It’s just bad, Mkay? Your primary heals are still HOTs. Nourish is now just a better tool to help in appropriate places…

2) Spirit is still valuable for raiding tree druids, even though it’s not as good as it used to be. The effect of spirit only changed for:  While you are NOT casting, and for innervate.

So, if you spend most of your time casting, then the value of spirit hasn’t drastically changed for you. While some people are recommending abandoning spirit altogether for healing in favor of mana/5, I think that’s way too extreme of a viewpoint. If something with mana/5 on it looks appealing to you as an upgrade from what you are wearing, then pick it up. I have a couple pieces in my healing set that has mana/5 without spirit, and having a couple pieces without spirit on it won’t hurt. However, if you totally avoid spirit on every piece of gear, your innervate is going to return no mana to you and that will make you very sad. Moonkin need less spirit than resto druids because spell crits give moonkin back mana. Resto druids still need the spirit that is on your gear, because it gives you increased healing as well as mana regen and a more powerful innervate effect. You would only want to stack mana/5 without any spirit if you plan to stand around not casting for long periods of time during a fight… in which case, mana probably isn’t a problem in the first place… Having some of both is fine.

There may be cases for PvP where mana/5 becomes really helpful above the value of spirit. However, in Ulduar raid healing, you won’t spend enough time out of the 5 second rule for it to matter in the vast majority of fights.

4 Comments

  1. Posted April 16, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Thanks so much for clearing up the Spirit question. I kind of had a feeling that was the case: we still need it.

    I actually ran some heroic five-mans last night. I noticed very little difference with mana-regen. I think I only had to imbibe a mana drink once during both runs and that’s mostly because we had an accidental pull and I spammed HT a lot, heh.

    One thing I did see right away was that I really need to learn how to heal again with Nourish. I didn’t spam it solo, I used my HOTs accordingly, but overall, it was just, different. That and I just KNOW there’s some room in there for Lifebloom. I did find myself NOT healing at some points. Granted, lower level 80 five-mans and a nicely geared tank make for a smooth night, but in fear of overhealing I found myself just NOT healing and letting HOTs get near expiration, if not fall off occasionally. I’m curious to see if this is the case in 10s and 25s for my guild. Ah well..

    Thanks again.

  2. Siobhann
    Posted April 16, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    People forget that spirit still scales with Living Spirit, Kings, and now MotW while MP5 doesn’t.

    I had more mana than before the patch in Maly25 and OS+1 the other night. The mages commented that mana was better too. I’m wondering if it was us 3 tree druids with the new Revitalize?

  3. Posted April 16, 2009 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    I’d avoid Nourish on Razorscale if he didn’t hit people for 12K fireballs, 10K Devouring Flame and 7K chain lightnings. If we wait for hots to tick on raid damage it simply isn’t fast enough, and I had people being two shot because I was trying to lay a HoT on them before Nourishing.

    Sometimes you do just have to spam a naked Nourish.

  4. Posted April 16, 2009 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Regrowth might be better for things where you want a direct heal, since the HOT would at least top people off for a while after… and then you can nourish them ’cause they have a HOT!

    I think that’s one of the places where our new T8 4-piece bonus is going to shine… I mean, in the end, you gotta do what you gotta do to get the boss down.