Comments on: The pros & cons of various loot systems in WoW raiding http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/ Lissanna's blog about druids Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:23:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Taz http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Taz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:56:02 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-939 Our raids involve a Master Looter system that breaks down like this: -1 Successful Need Roll per Raid (not counting Tier) -Infinite Successful Greed/Offspec Rolls per Raid (if no one Needs item) -1 Successful Tier Piece Roll per Raid (only if you've raided with the group for at least 3 lockout periods) While I've never used either the DKP or Loot Council systems, I could definitely see value to them. Of course, I feel that the system we use works very well for our group. Either way, thanks for the incredibly informative breakdown! Wall of text or not, it was very useful! Our raids involve a Master Looter system that breaks down like this:

-1 Successful Need Roll per Raid (not counting Tier)
-Infinite Successful Greed/Offspec Rolls per Raid (if no one Needs item)
-1 Successful Tier Piece Roll per Raid (only if you’ve raided with the group for at least 3 lockout periods)

While I’ve never used either the DKP or Loot Council systems, I could definitely see value to them. Of course, I feel that the system we use works very well for our group.

Either way, thanks for the incredibly informative breakdown! Wall of text or not, it was very useful!

]]> By: Watreskell http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-938 Watreskell Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:14:24 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-938 We use a Master-Looter-need-greed-whatever-the-raid-leader-feels-like-it system. When an item drops, you are free to roll need on it if it is your main spec and you are a guild "member" or higher. You can win one need per night. If no one rolls need, you can roll greed on it, even initiates and off specs, priority given to main spec initiates or trials over off spec. You can get one greed per night. All that goes out the window if the tank needs the item, or the ML/GM/RL decides otherwise. Two of our three main tanks share my token, so I have been a little bitter about this system. Yeah I do believe it is good to gear up the tank, but when they are calling for "MOAR HEELZ NAO!!1eleven", the tank in 4/5 T8.5 will not make my heals any bigger. I finally got to roll on (and win) my helm T8.5 this week, and just spent some of my emblems for the chest piece, now if only Razorscale would stop being so stingy with that mace. We use a Master-Looter-need-greed-whatever-the-raid-leader-feels-like-it system. When an item drops, you are free to roll need on it if it is your main spec and you are a guild “member” or higher. You can win one need per night. If no one rolls need, you can roll greed on it, even initiates and off specs, priority given to main spec initiates or trials over off spec. You can get one greed per night. All that goes out the window if the tank needs the item, or the ML/GM/RL decides otherwise.

Two of our three main tanks share my token, so I have been a little bitter about this system. Yeah I do believe it is good to gear up the tank, but when they are calling for “MOAR HEELZ NAO!!1eleven”, the tank in 4/5 T8.5 will not make my heals any bigger.

I finally got to roll on (and win) my helm T8.5 this week, and just spent some of my emblems for the chest piece, now if only Razorscale would stop being so stingy with that mace.

]]> By: Anelf http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Anelf Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:11:32 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-934 I evaluated all these options for my guild. I ended up creating a simplified Shroud loot system. I didn't like the minimum bid element, as it encourages two raiders waiting for the same major piece to leave smaller upgrades to be disenchanted. We award 10 points for being available for a raid (whether you get to run or not), 5 points if you're there at the end (to encourage 'stand-bys' to stick around in case they're needed). And a common points pool is used across all scheduled raids - from OS to Ulduar (to encourage our well geared raiders to help gear up new people). Bids are half your points on an item that's a major upgrade. Minor upgrades and offsets are free to the highest roller if no-one wants to bid points. We rely on trust for people not to pretend a major piece is for an offset. And that's it (except for a couple of caveats for people who sign up for an instance when they're massively undergeared). The system is working well so far. (And you're welcome to call this the Anelf system if you really want to ;-) ). BTW You didn't mention the (very complicated but intriguing) Ni Karma system :-) . I evaluated all these options for my guild. I ended up creating a simplified Shroud loot system. I didn’t like the minimum bid element, as it encourages two raiders waiting for the same major piece to leave smaller upgrades to be disenchanted.

We award 10 points for being available for a raid (whether you get to run or not), 5 points if you’re there at the end (to encourage ’stand-bys’ to stick around in case they’re needed). And a common points pool is used across all scheduled raids – from OS to Ulduar (to encourage our well geared raiders to help gear up new people).

Bids are half your points on an item that’s a major upgrade. Minor upgrades and offsets are free to the highest roller if no-one wants to bid points. We rely on trust for people not to pretend a major piece is for an offset.

And that’s it (except for a couple of caveats for people who sign up for an instance when they’re massively undergeared).

The system is working well so far. (And you’re welcome to call this the Anelf system if you really want to ;-) ).

BTW You didn’t mention the (very complicated but intriguing) Ni Karma system :-) .

]]> By: Maor http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-937 Maor Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:42:36 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-937 My guild currently uses the Master Looter roll system. We've made additional rules on top of that, but at the core its that. My guild currently uses the Master Looter roll system. We’ve made additional rules on top of that, but at the core its that.

]]> By: Lissanna http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-936 Lissanna Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:40:10 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-936 I know... it looked shorter before the site put all the extra space between the paragraphs. :( I know… it looked shorter before the site put all the extra space between the paragraphs. :(

]]> By: Lavata http://www.restokin.com/2009/07/the-pros-cons-of-various-loot-systems-in-wow-raiding/comment-page-1/#comment-935 Lavata Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:37:20 +0000 http://restokin.com/?p=1676#comment-935 That was still a wall of text. :-) That was still a wall of text. :-)

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