BWL trash was fun and a challenge, esp. right before and after Vael.

I actually don’t think that’s a fair statement that current content only takes a day of raiding and there’s nothing left to do.

If your guild is only doing TOC25, VOA25, ONY25, you’re essentially not doing any hard modes encounters. If your guild chooses not to participate in that content you can’t say there’s nothing to do.

Blizzard’s done a good job of providing a mix of different raid environments for casual/moderate/hard core guilds. If your guild fits into a casual guild you’re naturally going to have less content to participate in.

My guild currently raids on a 3 day structure which consists of ONY25, VOA25, TOC25, TOGC25 (minus anub) + Ulduar 25 hard modes. It eats up all 3 days + we do optional 10 mans on a 4th day if ppl choose to.

Anyway, I’d be happy if we could just stop trash from respawning, even if the boss hasn’t been downed.

I’m not asking for 10 hours a week worth of trash mobs to kill. I’m just asking for better pacing between encounters.

Right now, my guild (who wants to raid 3 days a week) is limited to raiding 1 day a week because we can clear ToC, VOA, & Ony in 2.5 hours (or less) and then we run out of worthwhile content to do. Then, we’ll do 10-mans which takes up maybe an hour or two of time on another day, and then there’s nothing else to do. For people who want more than 1 day a week worth of raiding content, we’ve been pretty disappointed with WotLK because there is so little to do at any tier of raiding, except briefly for a couple months in Ulduar.

Hard core these days seems to actually mean that you raid less because you blow through the content so fast.

In my old guild, we had all the patterns and our guild bank was more than full for repairs. Trash for us was a time sink that slowed our progression, even if it only cost us one boss attempt.

In addition to the concept of not wanting the reclear the same trash repeatedly is the concept of low time players. I hate to sound casual, but my play time definitely groups me into that category. However when I play, I’m anything but casual. Play time should not exclude me from content given that I play for 10 or so hours a week. I understand there’s a question about where to draw the line, but I feel like ToC gives me, a casual, a chance to play like the hardcore raider that I am without committing to a 4-5 day a week for 3-4 hours raiding schedule.

One thing that strikes me about ToC and why Bliz can justify having no trash is the arena format of the raid. Similar to the quest line in Nagrand whose name escapes me. Other than that, the format does not work.

On another note, now that I only pug, I can raid in one evening. I skipped Ulduar. I can’t commit more than three hours in an evening. The chances of getting back into the particular Ulduar pug to finish the raid is extremely low.